Wednesday, June 20, 2012

My Round Table with Secretary of Veterans Affairs, Retired General Eric Shinseki



On Thursday May 24th, 2012, I was invited to a round table discussion with the Secretary of Veterans Affairs, Retired General Eric Shinseki.  There was considerable build up for this meeting. Various individuals representing the Albuquerque VA as well as Veterans Resource Center representatives from the University of New Mexico called to confirm and re-confirm my attendance.  Delivered by mail was a list of events as well as a flyer discussing the recent changes at the Veterans Resource Center. To prepare for my meeting I reached out and asked for advice or suggestions on things I should discuss. My request was met with replies ranging from benefits to disability claims as well as problems with education allowances and the GI Bill.  I noticed lots of confusion in regards to resources as well as examples of problems with the “system”; the big brother black cloud that has delayed us all at some point in our lives.

My friend Michael Wissemann, an a Army Nurse Corps officer and my company commander in Germany, suggested I say “Sir, I deeply admire the honesty you displayed during congressional hearings. It took a moral courage rarely displayed by senior DOD officials to state that we would need significantly more troops than projected by then Sec Rumsfeld. So I need to ask you sir, boxers or briefs?" A link to that is here: http://youtu.be/a_xchyIeCQw - I had to laugh at his response.

My friend Eve said “Discussing Education and Benefits seems all encompassing...Really what the VA can do - is take care of the claims backlog…It takes claims reps months to get veteran's files/records so that they can make an accurate determination of disability. Turn it around on him, Mika. Ask him what he thinks the biggest issues are and where and how can we apply pressure on the Hill to facilitate change. I never just complain or bring up issues... I always offer solutions. Ask him specifically for me, what would he have vets advocates do to help the VA?”

What Eve said struck me. I needed to come to the table prepared with solutions, not just a list of complaints. Everyone knows there is a backlog of VA claims, there is a desperate need for more manpower and that while the post 9/11 G. I. Bill is amazing, there are still problems. My friends Shawn, Kellie, Genna, Heidi, Andrea, Myke and Rachel had all outlined problems and I owed it to them to find solutions and present them. So I did my research. I talked with Patricia, a VSO representative from DAV whom I think is a very educated individual, and I spoke with UNM veterans center representatives who understood all the rules to the 9/11 G.I. Bill and Chapter 33. Then I read speech after speech and every news release I could in regards to the both disability claims and education benefit challenges.  I typed up four pages of broad based problems and 4-5 possible solutions for each.

I have to admit I was excited and slightly nervous about attending the round table discussion. I showed up on time (15 minutes early, some things never change).  I sat outside the conference room with a few other veterans I knew. Of course we waited an hour for a meeting between Shinseki and the University representatives to be completed, and then we were ushered to our carefully placed nameplates.

As I tried to take a seat and organize my notes I was greeted by VA officials asking if it was ok for my picture to be taken with Shinseki and if I would be available to be interviewed by reporters after the round table. I agreed and noticed that others were not approached. It is times like this I think that my face or positive demeanor is mistaken for one that won’t discuss tough topics.  I can only laugh; they obviously don’t know me very well.

The meeting started with Shinseki greeting us and shaking each of our hands before starting the discussion. I scanned left and right and saw that there was a wide range of veterans present. I think there were 14 total in attendance. Around the outside of our table there were seats for the representatives of various senators not in attendance as well as different VA officials and university representatives.  As I scanned my peers I noticed that only a handful brought paper and only I had prepared notes.

Shinseki opened by discussing the GI Bill (also known as the Servicemen’s Readjustment Act of 1944), the various degrees obtained by using this benefit and the challenges he faced when returning to college after Vietnam. He discussed the ability for veterans to have an unspoken communication and added in the 4 rules Army service members live by: I will always place the mission first, I will never accept defeat, I will never quit and I will never leave a fallen comrade. He then discussed the Post 9/11 G.I. Bill and the goal of that legislation for veterans today. He said, “If I were to give a speech it would be one word. Graduate”.

With that he opened the panel for discussion. My friend Patricia had recommended letting someone else start. Sure enough, a question was raised about the accessibility of class rooms for individuals with disabilities. Another veteran answered by informing him that when applying for the class there is a section to request ADA accessible classrooms.  One veteran discussed vocational rehab and internships available for veterans after gaining their degree. He stated that even after veterans do obtain their degree an internship is often required before starting into a new career field. However, those are hard to find and they often provide less pay. That can be hard for even a single solider let alone one with a family.

Shinseki discussed hiring fairs held in DC with the sole purpose of hiring veterans. He said the difference between Job Fairs and Hiring Fairs is that employers are required to have jobs available and to hire employees. An interesting concept. Many veterans groups are approached in regards to Job Fairs and advertising that the job fair is for veterans or veteran friendly. At times I personally feel as if it is just a publicity stunt to give the impression of working towards helping the veteran.

I then took the opportunity to talk to Shinseki. I opened with, “Secretary it is an honor to meet you and be here today. I do not have a specific complaint but rather would like to say that I am a success story of the post 9/11 GI bill. 13 days ago I graduated from the University of New Mexico with a Master’s of Science in Nursing and I am now a Family Nurse Practitioner.  However, after discussing with various veterans and peers there are some challenges that veterans face in terms of gaining a degree. Currently education benefits are capped at 48 months, a challenge for many. Another challenge is that when re-entering college many need refresher courses on materials like math and English, however if they do take these courses it counts towards the 48 months. In addition, many degrees take longer than 48 months; some examples are engineering and nursing schools. However, you should come to any meeting prepared with suggestions. (I picked up my typed list and Shinseki’s eyes momentarily widened). I’m an Army Nurse at heart and I come prepared.”

·         While on Active duty each service member has the opportunity to use tuition assistance to further educate themselves while serving their country. However, with so many being deployed this benefit is not being used. If this benefit is not used while on Active duty it should be transferred on top of their Ch 33 benefit.

·         Allow for refresher courses that do not count towards the 48 month allowance. 

·         Universities can give back to those who have served by providing FREE refresher courses. Universities that participate in this program can be listed in magazines or advertised through social media outlets.

·         If working towards the degree and in good standing benefits can be extended to help the veteran complete the degree. This can be helpful for any veteran working to obtain the bachelor's or advanced degrees.


I’m not sure at how many people were staring at me but I know that Shinseki was. He talked about volunteering to tutor other veterans or being a paid tutor at the university. I explained that in my case when I worked as a TA I was given a discount on the tuition that actually decreased the benefits I received with my GI Bill and it was better for me to tutor without working for the university. After I spoke three other veterans stood up and said that they actually did have problems graduating because their benefits would not cover the amount of time needed to graduate even when taking full time coursework. A gentleman working for Shinseki discussed the recent change to allow for $2000 towards tutoring for veterans and representatives from the University of New Mexico and Central New Mexico College discussed that they had free tutoring available. It struck me how quickly everyone wanted to defend their educational institution. I agree that the University of New Mexico is excellent and I could not have asked for a better place to go for graduate school. However, the problems that veterans face in the classroom are not limited to one campus or educational institution.

Another student from Muskogee, OK, discussed his difficulty with work study payments and an interesting thing happened. The vocational rehab representative echoed the difficulty in retrieving payments. Shinseki turned to a VA representative from Muskogee and asked if this was his area, to which the man replied basically “it’s not my job.” Shinseki replied he didn’t want to hear that. Instead he wanted to know why students were not getting paid and how he intended to fix the problem and asked that the solution be emailed to him by Monday morning. The room was in a state of uncomfortable silence for awhile. Inside I did a little victory dance. I loved the fact that a widget worker saying “not my job” was basically stopped in his tracks. That is true leadership.

The discussion next centered on the need for more providers at VA hospitals and outpatient centers as well as establishing rapport with patients. One veteran discussed that her husband preferred seeing a homeopathic physician and not the VA due to the long waits and short visit times provided. Shinseki talked about the expansion of outpatient veteran’s centers, the new proposed budget for the VA, increased numbers of mental health providers as well as the use of mobile VA mental health centers especially in rural environments like New Mexico.

Shinseki ended the formal discussion by addressing the difference between Post Traumatic Stress and Post traumatic Stress Disorder. He said it was unnatural for soldiers today to go to war and experience what we experience and not have stress. A truly legitimate statement. How many deployments have we experienced, how many friends have we said goodbye to, how many fallen comrade ceremonies do we participate in, how many hands do we as nurses hold before it wears a spot in our souls?  

After our discussion Shinseki presented us with coins, a gesture familiar to many of us. Then the seats and tables were rearranged for the press conference, Shinseki was led to another room to review topics discussed and again I was asked “How do you pronounce your last name.” I was given directions on where to stand next to the podium as camera men positioned themselves and reporters took out paper and pen. I stood in silence, the only student veteran in a line of VA officials. My eyes did glaze over as picture taking began. Shinseki started fielding questions from reporters attempting to address issues regarding the backlog of claims (a subject not discussed in our round table) as well as for-profit universities targeting student veterans.

As the questions came to an end and people started to disperse I walked to my bag with papers folded neatly and prepared to leave. Shinseki walked away for the busy “yes men” that surrounded him, walked up to me and once again shook my hand thanking me for being there. I thanked him and said, “I know that you recognize the need for change. People still talk about the congressional hearings and how you discussed the need for more troops. I hope you know that as a veteran and member of American Women Veterans we want to help facilitate that change.” He briefly if not slightly smiled (he is not a man of many smiles) and said “thanks, that makes my job easier.” The “yes men” looked anxious to take him back so I smiled and released his hand. I was cornered twice more by reporters asking questions about school and veterans benefits and what I saw as the need for change.  My answer: “Veterans work hard, we are leaders and we help our communities, let’s change the stereotype of what a veteran looks like and show what we really do.”

It was an interesting day to say the least. More topics were discussed and I would have to say it was a genuine learning experience. Being a voice that is heard versus being just a voice are two different things. I have come to appreciate that as a veteran I still want to serve my community, but finding that voice is something I am still learning. At the end of the day, I have to remember I am more than JUST a nurse; I am a veteran.